Posted on August 25, 2008 by crunchymomma
Points to Ponder:
If you believe an unvaccinated child is a danger to yours, then so are your parents, grandparents, older aunts and uncles and society in general. Why? Because what is being vaccinated for now, wasn’t then, so they are not part of the ‘herd immunity’ either. Besides, the chances that they get boosters are low, and even if they did, how do they know they are really ’protected’, as not all vaccines will produce immunity in all people.
If you believe vaccines work to protect yours, then your vaccinated children in reality are a larger risk to them. How? All of the live virus vaccines shed. Meaning if your child receives the MMR vaccine, and individuals who has never had Measles, Mumps or Rubella interacts with your child, they can get ’catch’ one or all of the components in the vaccine as vaccine-induced vs. the wild strain. (Vaccine-induced and wild strains can look different on the body, such as chicken-pox, and it’s a tell-tale sign which a child has on examination).
A vaccinated child will also have to get boosters for life for a small percentage or chance that they will never get the actual disease or only a ‘mild’ case. An unvaccinated child can get the disease naturally and have 100% immunity, in most cases, for life and be done with it.
Viruses are smarter than we are. They mutate and become resistant. What we’re currently vaccinating for may not even be what is out there and what we’re being exposed to.
Not all countries vaccinate for the same things, or in the same dosages. Not all USA states require the same number of doses for school entry either. If herd immunity was real, wouldn’t the whole world vaccinate in unison? Wouldn’t US states be in unison?
The epidemiological implications due to vaccinations coming soon…
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Posted on August 25, 2008 by crunchymomma
Think about this: If 80% of people are vaccinated, and 75% have immunity for only 5-8 years from one or more vaccines, what happens in the consequent years? Now, let’s say they get boosters after 7 years and then have immunity for a total of 14 years. What about the remaining 70 some years?
When did you get your Hepatitis B vaccine or an MMR vaccine? If it has not been in the last within the last 5-7 years, you are not a part of ‘herd immunity’. At least 90% of the population would have to be current on their vaccinations at all times. That is something that will and never has been, at any time, anywhere.
The theory touted is that “herd immunity” would provide a barrier, and stop infection to unvaccinated children. It has never worked that way. Examples:
· In the early trials of diphtheria vaccine- they found that people could have no immunity aka the Schick test, carry diphtheria, and yet not get clinical diphtheria. It was also found that people could have immunity to diphtheria, carry diphtheria and still get diphtheria.
· People carry what are called “commensal bacteria” in their noses and throats. If they did a swab of a whole hospital staff, all of them would carry a variety of pathogens including some or all of the following bacteria: MRSA, haemophilus, pneumococcus, strep, diphtheroids, and whatever they specifically culture for.
You may not get disease yourself, but you can pass it on. All of us carry different strains of Neisseria meningitides several times a year, yet have immunity.
This is how they get you to believe the illusion. If there was a clinical case of Meningitis C in your hospital, everyone will be offered antibiotics and the Men C vaccine on the basis that you haven’t had the disease, therefore you aren’t immune. But are you really not immune? You may have gotten immunity to at least 24 other types of meningitis by carrying, processing, and having no symptoms etc, that you might very well be immune to this one as well. So why don’t they test for it, instead of assuming you aren’t and just jabbing needles into you?
This very well applies to more than Chickenpox:
Most Children With a Negative or Unknown Varicella History Are Immune.
Contrary to widely held beliefs, most 10-year-old children with negative or unknown chickenpox histories are actually immune to varicella, according to a report by Canadian investigators.
Dr. Bernard Duval, from Laval University in Quebec, and colleagues assessed the age-specific incidence of varicella among 2227 fourth grade students. A subset of children with negative or unknown chickenpox histories were tested for anti-varicella antibodies.
The study was performed to determine the proportion of children that would need to be vaccinated in a catch-up program, the researchers state in the NOVEMBER issue of the Pediatric Infectious Disease Journal.
The reported cumulative incidence of chickenpox at 10 years of age was 92% the authors note. Furthermore, about half of the children developed chickenpox before entering kindergarten.
Of the childen with negative or unknown varicella histories 63% had antibodies against the virus. Children with an unknown history were significantly more likely than those with a negative history to harbor anti-varicella antibodies (p = 0.002). In addition, children whose history was obtained by self-administered questionnaire rather than by a study nurse were more likely to demonstrate such antibodies (p = 0.023).
If vaccination was based on the absence of a positive history of varicella, 8.4% of 10-year old children would require vaccination, the researchers note. However, the current findings indicate that nearly two thirds of children without a positive history are actually immune.Prevaccination testing could identify children who are immune, but such testing could be difficult to implement and might reduce vaccine coverage. Follow-up telephone interview with parents who report negative or unknown histories for their children may help identify children who are actually immune.
You may not have had chickenpox clinically, but that does not mean you are not immune! Just by being exposed to a disease does not mean you will ‘catch it’ either.
Human Genome Research and Society. Proceedings of the Second International Bioethics Seminar in Fukui, 20-21 March, 1992. Editors: Norio Fujiki, M.D. & Darryl R.J. Macer, Ph.D. pp. 205-210
In most infections only a rare individual becomes ill or suffers rare complications, and that individual may be genetically predetermined, it usually is. For example, HTLV-1 infects 1-2 million Japanese, but only one in over a thousand gets adult advanced T cell leukemia after 40 years, and fortunately only about one in a thousand gets HAM, HTLV-1 associated myolopophy. Those unfortunate rare individuals are the problem, not the problem of the innocuous, or carriers, the other one thousand who die without ever knowing that they had it, and having no ill effect. The same can be said for poliomyelitis, where it takes 1,000 infected cases in order to induce a paralysis, the others don’t know they were infected.
With polio, before the vaccine, they did serological surveys and found that 98.2% of people carried antibodies. Why didn’t that create herd immunity all the time? Why wasn’t that immunity a barrier? This is precisely why we have polio cases in Africa. Many have been vaccinated over 30 times. Even so, they can still pick up, and pass on, polio virus. The reason they keep doing OPV campaigns is to try and interrupt transmission by people passing it on. If the polio vaccine created a barrier called herd immunity then they wouldn’t have to do serial vaccination campaigns in Africa, because once immune, you were part of the barrier, right? Wrong, because it doesn’t work that way.
In the USA before the vaccine, 98.2% of the population were immune. So why did they vaccinate everyone? To scare you and make you think that if you did not have the clinical disease you must be susceptible.
The medical profession relies on the fact that most people don’t understand that what they see as clean skin, or a healthy throat, is a walking laboratory carrying and passing on, all kinds of pathogens. It’s the wonder of the immune system that most of us process these things and never know they were there, let alone that we processed them. Even though you have antibodies to all these bacteria and viruses, you can still carry them. That is how your body boosts your natural immunity. And you can still pass them on, just as you had them passed on to you in the first place.
Let’s take a look at chickenpox. You catch it and you get it. Just because you have it now, does that mean you won’t carry it again? No. The increase in Shingles is because chickenpox isn’t going around as much since we have taken it out of natural circulation, by suppressing the disease, and therefore people aren’t getting carriage, which would remind the immune system to keep on its toes. Or perhaps because the virus that is being shed is mainly vaccine virus, which the body doesn’t quite recognize the same way as the original virus. No one has done the research to see if this is the case. This is why they are bringing out a Shingles vaccine, which by the way, is 14 times more potent than a chickenpox vaccine. The primary reason that people don’t get shingles normally, is that they regularly come in contact with, carry, and possible pass it on to others, just as they got it in the first place.
This same principle applies to all bacteria and all viruses. No matter whether you have had, or have not had clinical disease; you will pick up, process and pass on to others whatever viruses you come in contact with.
Diphtheria is a disease caused by bacteria and we all carry the bacteria since it is ubiquitous. If they swabbed and cultured everyone in a community with a specific culture to diphtheroid, we would all come up positive. That’s why they stopped doing it. See blog on Diphtheria for more information.
Who are the primary spreaders of whooping cough? They are the people who are vaccinated, naturally immune, or not immune, who just pass it along. What would happen if they told everyone that the herd immunity, antibodies creates a barrier against spread, is not working out in practice?
It was thought in the beginning that immunity would mean barrier, on the basis that one attack meant life long immunity, therefore immunity would mean being incapable of passing anything on. Further down the line they discovered that wasn’t true. What were they supposed to do then? Admit they’d been fooled by their own assumptions, screwed up, and tell the truth?
Immunity long term was and is dependant upon regular exposure naturally. Plain and simple, with the exception of tetanus, because the principle doesn’t apply since its not infectious, and therefore herd immunity isn’t even relevant. The medical establishment won’t be honest and come out and say it, because it would remove the emotional blackmail message that everyone who hasn’t had the disease should have the vaccine.
Polio case in Minnesota? The oral polio viruses had circulated at least 2 years before the isolates were picked up in unimmunized children who never had clinical illness. Who had circulated the polio viruses? The vaccinated. How did herd immunity help the unvaccinated Amish children? It didn’t. They didn’t get the disease so right there you have proof that the theory of “herd immunity” is a lie.
Then they will then say that vaccines reduce the spread of viruses, as in the example above of chickenpox. That is a hypothesis. Vaccination hasn’t stopped the spread of meningitis, pertussis or diphtheria. Vaccination against HIB has stopped the spread of capsular Hib,but not non-capsular, or other strains of Hib. The hole that was made by the removal of Hib was immediately filled when Pneumococcus which stepped in and took its place. So the other thing that ‘herd immunity’ can do is cause holes, which are then filled in by yet another pathogen, which preys on the same immunological “breaches in defenses” that the previous pathogen preyed on. Death rates due to infections have not dropped. Something else just takes its place.
Stay tuned for more on the Herd Immunity Illusion…
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